tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post6287213285250152071..comments2023-10-31T09:11:11.817-07:00Comments on Our Pack, Inc. Rescue - Pit Bull Advocates for Compassion & Kindness: A Pit Bull By Any Other Name...Our Pack, Inc.http://www.blogger.com/profile/14658327689635203488noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-15205395621366006292009-10-29T13:20:06.338-07:002009-10-29T13:20:06.338-07:00Yes, I think so too. That's a fun game too!Yes, I think so too. That's a fun game too!Our Packhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15866351499622774333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-92185656975812078892009-10-29T13:02:36.483-07:002009-10-29T13:02:36.483-07:00Don't you love that guess which one is a Pit t...Don't you love that guess which one is a Pit thing? Its crazy how so many can look like one in a picture but then you really have to meet one in person to know..I think so atleastKembreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06527566760127489135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-71390166236095373132009-10-28T20:54:54.266-07:002009-10-28T20:54:54.266-07:00You're welcome Rinalia! I think you're rig...You're welcome Rinalia! I think you're right we do agree that there's no black or white in canine behavior, it's too complex. Genetics, environment, all have influence.<br /><br />Kembree: I love your point about just loving them anyway! Isn't it true? Our Dexter is mixed with God knows what but he's just a lover boy and we adore him. DNA schmena right?<br />MarthinaOur Packhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15866351499622774333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-47121431020625274802009-10-28T20:00:07.323-07:002009-10-28T20:00:07.323-07:00What's funny is that our Lane isnt a purebred ...What's funny is that our Lane isnt a purebred Pit Bull. We adopted him thinking he was, and what's funny is we really want him to be, opposite of many. Lennox is 100% Pit Bull and I think his tendancies rub off on Lane and make him behave more "Pit" like, which we know he must have some in him, but who knows really..he could have 2 breeds mixed that make him look "Pit" like. I really wanna DNA test, but MOST do not include Pit Bulls, only some include Am Staff..ugh!! I will love him the same no matter what he is, but it is funny how certain traits are just always there in the breed.Kembreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06527566760127489135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-59683058930827837102009-10-28T17:43:48.641-07:002009-10-28T17:43:48.641-07:00Thanks, Marthina (et. al). I absolutely agree that...Thanks, Marthina (et. al). I absolutely agree that too many dogs who clearly AREN'T APBTs are misidentified (and no APBT should be 150 lbs, for sure!) I appreciate that you took my comment in the spirit I intended, as an opening point for discussion. :)<br /><br />Ultimately, we have the same end goal - judge each dog individually (while being cognizant of genetic/breed influence).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977410602426080310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-124094219938743232009-10-28T08:27:41.421-07:002009-10-28T08:27:41.421-07:00OMG isn't that true Anon!OMG isn't that true Anon!Our Packhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15866351499622774333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-82777561558325588782009-10-28T06:16:47.593-07:002009-10-28T06:16:47.593-07:00You are so right, we can't say it enough becau...You are so right, we can't say it enough because it goes in one ear and out the other for most people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-15748366047185912402009-10-27T20:51:08.520-07:002009-10-27T20:51:08.520-07:00EXCELLENT discussion! I just did an adoption today...EXCELLENT discussion! I just did an adoption today of a mastiff mix who showed a lot of guard dog qualities and, in the run next to him, was a pit bull mix also needing a home. The pit bull mix was very into the people visiting and not super aware of what was going on around him. The mastiff mix (who had been labeled a pit mix by the ac that released him to me) was leaning on adoptee and wagging his tail but his eyes were focused on everything going on around him, typical guard dog behavior :)<br />CatherineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-28637617051156250902009-10-27T10:54:49.226-07:002009-10-27T10:54:49.226-07:00To Rinalla and all,
Sorry for my double post now t...To Rinalla and all,<br />Sorry for my double post now too! :) In addition to what I wrote above I also wanted to say that the example I used in this article was a dog that was already over 75 to 80 lbs and wasn't even a year old yet. She told me he was still a puppy. He not only was leery but he had lunged at tried to bite a relative that was staying over. In combo with the way the dog looked AND the temperament he didn't seem like a Pit Bull.<br />And you're right, many breeds are effusive with people. Goldens, Labs etc. In fact along with Pit Bulls these dogs generally INCREASE in socialbility and don't DECREASE. Again, a breed generality and all dogs must be evaluated on an individual basis while considering breed standard.<br />Even the Lab breed could be ruined by calling most dogs that bit people Labs. After a while the public gets the wrong idea.Our Packhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15866351499622774333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-42416688898980761852009-10-27T10:03:23.153-07:002009-10-27T10:03:23.153-07:00Really, really excellent points in the post and in...Really, really excellent points in the post and in the comments. Great topic for discussion, Marthina!Suzi Riothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02869448922051303723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-79387150325097026602009-10-27T09:33:12.892-07:002009-10-27T09:33:12.892-07:00Hey Rinalia,
No problem. This blog is here so peop...Hey Rinalia,<br />No problem. This blog is here so people can speak their minds. This is a very good point you brought up. You're right though, I'm not arguing the point that a Pit Bull can never, ever have a flaw. We've taken dogs from fighting busts that were very fearful initially as we pretty much and I say pretty much knew that it was an environmental thing. These dogs snapped out of it however. Pit Bulls are resiliant as well. We did have one girl though that is still very soft and a bit shy. We aren't saying now, "Wow, she much NOT be a Pit Bull because she's shy!" I know you're not saying that we're like that but I do want to make that clear in case there is that misunderstanding. Also, there's a differene in being a bit shy and biting people and then the dog mistakenly called a Pit Bull which was more the point of the blog.<br />This is a general set of behaviors that are generally seen in temperament correct Pit Bulls that I was talking about. Not saying that it can't be deviated from in ANY way. BUT when I hear that a 150lb "Pit Bull" (they generally aren't that large) bit a person and it was this and that THEN in the papers called a Pit Bull I find the extremely damaging to ANY breed. Then all across the country MORE Pit Bulls will die because of these articles, i.e. shelters put them down and don't want to adopt them out or people won't adopt them because they're "attack dogs" which is incorrect. I'm a bit jaded because I had Dobermans as a teenager and lived through that crap with them too.<br />This is also why I say that there can be variances in the breed and they can still be the breed in question. I do see that it probably wasn't as pointedly clear as it should have been.<br />Thanks for bringing this up because there is a little of of an "all bad" and an "all good" thing that can happen too and that's not good either. Again, this is why I said at the end that we MUST assess on an individual basis and go by temperamnet. Our little Jakob from the lagre Missouri dog fighting raid is a bit shy right now because he's very confused as to where he is etc but we would never say, hey, he must not be a Pit Bull. He's fabulous and he'll do fine. :) Thanks again and don't worry about double posting. This isn't about agreeing all the time it's about sharing views and I very much appreciate yours!<br />MarthinaOur Packhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15866351499622774333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-24325551079555775932009-10-27T09:13:38.246-07:002009-10-27T09:13:38.246-07:00Sorry, I wish I could edit my comment instead of d...Sorry, I wish I could edit my comment instead of double-commenting.<br /><br />I just want to point out that my comment was not meant as an attack or an insult, and I hope it isn't construed as such. :)Rinaliahttp://for-the-pits.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-42811868644149494942009-10-27T09:00:40.112-07:002009-10-27T09:00:40.112-07:00Lots of dogs are effusive - that does not make the...Lots of dogs are effusive - that does not make them pit bulls/APBTs (which I realize you weren't arguing). Some pit bulls are soft or shy or fearful, this does not make them NOT pit bulls. Then there are dogs who look like pit bulls, are stranger friendly, and have no APBT in their genetic lineage. <br /><br />When I read posts like these, it just makes me feel like no one wants to give this breed any leeway. You have people who claim they are genetic monsters, ready to turn on you any second. And, on the other end, if the dog doesn't display human friendliness, is fearful, or aggressive, or soft, then all of a sudden he doesn't qualify for the APBT team. <br /><br />I realize you're probably not arguing that dogs who exhibit fear-based behaviors couldn't possibly be pit bulls. It's just an impression I get, and one that I've been getting from other pit bull advocates for years. I just think it's a simplified argument that has the potential to dismiss the complexities of canine behavior.Rinaliahttp://for-the-pits.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-44533998667927020582009-10-27T08:14:14.512-07:002009-10-27T08:14:14.512-07:00Thanks Daya for saying that she's Am Bulldog! ...Thanks Daya for saying that she's Am Bulldog! Also, this is another common trait with any guardian breed, they will be very loving and bond with their people and the friends that they've gotten to know of their poeple.<br />Am Bulldogs are great dogs and family companions. Again, this is an individual thing. I've seen Am Bulls that never had any guarding behavior at all. While it's good to separate out the breed we must also at the same time be careful not to generalize and peg a dog as "something" until we assess.<br />Thanks!Our Packhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15866351499622774333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-49589854429341144332009-10-27T07:03:42.888-07:002009-10-27T07:03:42.888-07:00How interesting! My baby girl is half American Bul...How interesting! My baby girl is half American Bulldog with some Staffy in her, so she's leery of strangers (cringes away and occasionally barks), but effusive in her love with any friends and family. In fact, once she knows you (or if you have given her a treat) she will remember you as her buddy! <br /><br />I'm usually asked if she is a pittie, but when I respond with am bulldog they say 'same thing'. *Sigh*Dayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-43202420439209876412009-10-27T06:15:51.253-07:002009-10-27T06:15:51.253-07:00Excellent post - we really need to keep saying thi...Excellent post - we really need to keep saying this over and over again!Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00394349642907792587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-89543350324479506072009-10-27T04:00:24.937-07:002009-10-27T04:00:24.937-07:00You are so right many dogs get wrongly labeled pit...You are so right many dogs get wrongly labeled pit bull. I have even seen boxers called pit bulls. More education about bully breeds is needed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-7685712477256627362009-10-27T03:44:12.538-07:002009-10-27T03:44:12.538-07:00Great post, Marthina. I'm really glad you put...Great post, Marthina. I'm really glad you put this out there. SOOOOOO many people are confused about not only what a Pit Bull is looks-wise, but also Pit Bull temperament. It is important that we keep guiding those new to the breed, to help them understand it better, and hence be better guardians and advocates.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01488725645986806840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-74567992619992778482009-10-26T23:23:37.438-07:002009-10-26T23:23:37.438-07:00You're welcome guys! Thanks for the nice comme...You're welcome guys! Thanks for the nice comments.<br />MarthinaOur Packhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15866351499622774333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-33364129431319416492009-10-26T22:09:53.016-07:002009-10-26T22:09:53.016-07:00Thank you for this post Marthina! It's a reall...Thank you for this post Marthina! It's a really important message that is worth repeating over and over and over again...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-45618295975905620872009-10-26T20:45:22.873-07:002009-10-26T20:45:22.873-07:00THANK YOU Marthina!!!!!!THANK YOU Marthina!!!!!!Noellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5337563478508563426.post-68877282944192164402009-10-26T20:23:49.449-07:002009-10-26T20:23:49.449-07:00Excellent post!Excellent post!Traceynoreply@blogger.com